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    • #553507

      possible in the 3-indole Carbinol type route?? or DIM….supresing estrogenic activity??

      #553526

      Chip Douglas
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      possible in the 3-indole Carbinol type route?? or DIM….supresing estrogenic activity??

      Beat me, but it might make sense. If only Dr. Braverman would explain what study he got that from, or at least the mechanism behind it

      #553529

      Chip Douglas
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      Oh by the way and off topic, you got a cool nick

      #553532

      Chip Douglas
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      Further into Dr. Braverman’s new book : *Younger you*, I found this and I quote :

      ”Leptin controls dopamine levels”.

      Later he writes this :

      ”Leptin-producing, appetite-suppressing super foods.

      Eat one complete serving of each of these foods to boost your leptin production. For the most bang for the buck, broccoli is clearly the best dopamine-enhancing food.

      Apples

      Pomegrenate juice

      Salmon

      Broccoli

      Carrots

      Eggs white

      Spinach

      Unsalted almonds ”

      End of the quote.

      So here the dopamine increasing ability of broccoli appears to be through increased leptin. I admit to not being at all familiar with the leptin/dopamine connection. Perhaps some more knowledgeable forums users will chime in.

      #553536

      Anonymous

      Further into Dr. Braverman’s new book : *Younger you*, I found this and I quote :

      ”Leptin controls dopamine levels”.

      Later he writes this :

      ”Leptin-producing, appetite-suppressing super foods.

      Eat one complete serving of each of these foods to boost your leptin production. For the most bang for the buck, broccoli is clearly the best dopamine-enhancing food.

      Apples

      Pomegrenate juice

      Salmon

      Broccoli

      Carrots

      Eggs white

      Spinach

      Unsalted almonds ”

      End of the quote.

      So here the dopamine increasing ability of broccoli appears to be through increased leptin. I admit to not being at all familiar with the leptin/dopamine connection. Perhaps some more knowledgeable forums users will chime in.

      A good read to learn more about the dopamine/leptin connection, is Lyle Mcdonald’s ” Bromocriptine:An old drug with new uses. It advocates the use of Dopamine agonists such as Bromocriptine, to enhance weight loss on a diet and to keep you from plateauing.

      #553690

      Logos
      Member

      Well I haven’t read up on Leptin yet, but I believe that broccoli is a very good source of chromium.

      So…. chromium > controls blood sugar > decreases food cravings

      now for some of my speculation …. decreases food cravings > caloric restriction > increased neurotrophic

      factors > healthier dopamine neurons > more efficient dopamine production/utilization

      ….. probably not what Braverman was thinking, but who knows what that guy is thinking anyway.

      BTW… do you supplement with Tyrosine, Phenylalanine, and Methionine for dopamine production?

      #553770

      Chip Douglas
      Member

      Well I haven’t read up on Leptin yet, but I believe that broccoli is a very good source of chromium.

      So…. chromium > controls blood sugar > decreases food cravings

      now for some of my speculation …. decreases food cravings > caloric restriction > increased neurotrophic

      factors > healthier dopamine neurons > more efficient dopamine production/utilization

      ….. probably not what Braverman was thinking, but who knows what that guy is thinking anyway.

      BTW… do you supplement with Tyrosine, Phenylalanine, and Methionine for dopamine production?

      Haven’t really given Tyro. Phenylalanine and methionine a go so far, but I was thinking about it days ago.

      #553776

      Anonymous

      Haven’t really given Tyro. Phenylalanine and methionine a go so far, but I was thinking about it days ago.

      what about mucuna puriens?

      it contains L-dopa which is the final recursor to dopamine if i’m not mistaken.

      #553786

      Anonymous

      what about mucuna puriens?

      it contains L-dopa which is the final recursor to dopamine if i’m not mistaken.

      In theory, and I have talked to someone more knowledgable on the subject than I and he also stated this. Depreyl could also work through this way but by a different mechanism as it increases the free dopamine pool ,instead of being a dopamine receptor agonist.

      #553883

      Anonymous

      In theory, and I have talked to someone more knowledgable on the subject than I and he also stated this. Depreyl could also work through this way but by a different mechanism as it increases the free dopamine pool ,instead of being a dopamine receptor agonist.

      there is a product called craniyums which contains l-tyrosine and l-dopa in lozenges. not sure if you’ve heard about it.

      #553884

      Anonymous

      In theory, and I have talked to someone more knowledgable on the subject than I and he also stated this. Depreyl could also work through this way but by a different mechanism as it increases the free dopamine pool ,instead of being a dopamine receptor agonist.

      there is a product called craniyums which contains l-tyrosine and l-dopa in lozenges. not sure if you’ve heard about it.

      #553885

      Anonymous

      Hey hey!METH is also good for dopamine boosting

      #553886

      Anonymous

      Hey hey!METH is also good for dopamine boosting

      #553893

      Anonymous

      Btw, the presence of quercetin in broccoli means that the overall effect on neurotransmitter function is going to be fairly fucking complex. Excellent addition to diet in any case IMO

      #553894

      Anonymous

      Btw, the presence of quercetin in broccoli means that the overall effect on neurotransmitter function is going to be fairly fucking complex. Excellent addition to diet in any case IMO

      #553904

      Anonymous

      The only study on this directly shows polyphenol oxidase [i]decreasing[/i] in vitro dopamine. [url=”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11513690&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum”](source)[/url]

      Estrogens have a complex effect on dopamine; they can decrease DA transmission in favor of glutamergic, but also dramatically increase DA sensitivity, thus why women get a much stronger effect from dopaminergics. Phytoestrogens complicate this further; they can function as ER agonists or as SERM depending on endogenous E levels and the type of receptor/location. Further, depending on intestinal microflora, many can be metabolized to the much more potent phytoestrogen equol.

      I want to see Braverman back up his claims with data and cites.

      #553905

      Anonymous

      The only study on this directly shows polyphenol oxidase [i]decreasing[/i] in vitro dopamine. [url=”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11513690&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum”](source)[/url]

      Estrogens have a complex effect on dopamine; they can decrease DA transmission in favor of glutamergic, but also dramatically increase DA sensitivity, thus why women get a much stronger effect from dopaminergics. Phytoestrogens complicate this further; they can function as ER agonists or as SERM depending on endogenous E levels and the type of receptor/location. Further, depending on intestinal microflora, many can be metabolized to the much more potent phytoestrogen equol.

      I want to see Braverman back up his claims with data and cites.

      #553906

      Anonymous

      The only study on this directly shows polyphenol oxidase [i]decreasing[/i] in vitro dopamine. [url=”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11513690&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum”](source)[/url]

      Estrogens have a complex effect on dopamine; they can decrease DA transmission in favor of glutamergic, but also dramatically increase DA sensitivity, thus why women get a much stronger effect from dopaminergics. Phytoestrogens complicate this further; they can function as ER agonists or as SERM depending on endogenous E levels and the type of receptor/location. Further, depending on intestinal microflora, many can be metabolized to the much more potent phytoestrogen equol.

      I want to see Braverman back up his claims with data and cites.

      #553939

      Anonymous

      The only study on this directly shows polyphenol oxidase [i]decreasing[/i] in vitro dopamine. [url=”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11513690&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum”](source)[/url]

      Estrogens have a complex effect on dopamine; they can decrease DA transmission in favor of glutamergic, but also dramatically increase DA sensitivity, thus why women get a much stronger effect from dopaminergics. Phytoestrogens complicate this further; they can function as ER agonists or as SERM depending on endogenous E levels and the type of receptor/location. Further, depending on intestinal microflora, many can be metabolized to the much more potent phytoestrogen equol.

      I want to see Braverman back up his claims with data and cites.

      Broccoli isn’t supposed to have indole-3-carbinol with Antiestrogen properties?Hah.

      #553940

      Anonymous

      The only study on this directly shows polyphenol oxidase [i]decreasing[/i] in vitro dopamine. [url=”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=11513690&query_hl=2&itool=pubmed_docsum”](source)[/url]

      Estrogens have a complex effect on dopamine; they can decrease DA transmission in favor of glutamergic, but also dramatically increase DA sensitivity, thus why women get a much stronger effect from dopaminergics. Phytoestrogens complicate this further; they can function as ER agonists or as SERM depending on endogenous E levels and the type of receptor/location. Further, depending on intestinal microflora, many can be metabolized to the much more potent phytoestrogen equol.

      I want to see Braverman back up his claims with data and cites.

      Broccoli isn’t supposed to have indole-3-carbinol with Antiestrogen properties?Hah.

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